Lately I've been wondering about the hypocritical stance of most Governments regarding certain drugs.

For example, a drug which kills 85000 people annually in America alone, is commonly blamed for aggressive behaviour and domestic violence, coupled with of course nausea, liver damage, brain damage, and the hangover is legal. Whereas, a drug which has never claimed a life, commonly used for pain soothing purposes, and poses no short term or long term health risks other than lung problems when the drug is smoked, is illegal.

I'd say that my stance on all drugs is that you should be able to use it, as long as you're using it responsibly, and not hurting anybody else.


What's your opinion?

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I agree.

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LethargicMotivator:

Lately I've been wondering about the hypocritical stance of most Governments regarding certain drugs. For example, a drug which kills 85000 people annually in America alone, is commonly blamed for aggressive behaviour and domestic violence, coupled with of course nausea, liver damage, brain damage, and the hangover is legal. Whereas, a drug which has never claimed a life, commonly used for pain soothing purposes, and poses no short term or long term health risks other than lung problems when the drug is smoked, is illegal. I'd say that my stance on all drugs is that you should be able to use it, as long as you're using it responsibly, and not hurting anybody else. What's your opinion?

Also, that one that you are alluding to is the only one for which withdrawal can kill you (so no cold turkey)

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satansmunchkin:

hey man, just wanted to let you know going to dinner with your wife and plan on boning her until she screams, you'll then get the sloppy seconds

Just legalize it all. The economy will thank us later.


Thing is how does anyone decide who use it responsibly ? We cant go around and control everytime someone will smoke or take a line and should stuff like meth be legalized too ?

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maggot:

Just legalize it all. The economy will thank us later. Thing is how does anyone decide who use it responsibly ? We cant go around and control everytime someone will smoke or take a line and should stuff like meth be legalized too ?

Oooh, you. Ooooh, you.

I give you FRANCIS MORAES, Ph. mother f'n D. in physics. Bonefied heroin user. Former. Whilst being a doctor of physics.

Responsible people are responsible. Crack whores are crack whores sans the crack. Also, I present to you cunning VICE LORDS with MANSIONS and HOOKERS and FRIED CHICKEN FOOD CHAINS.

Drugs, as a matter of ... marketing ... appeal to low-lifes and scumbags.

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I think people should be taught how to use it responsibly, and then left to their own devices, it's the same as drinking too much and dying.

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In Britain we should issue a Drug Use licence whereby each holder must prove responsibility through a test where they must tightrope across a pit full of crocodiles and stinging nettles, whilst carrying a new born baby and three pints of milk.
Those that pass are the ones that make it across safely and those that completely refuse to take the risk.

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deliriousstudios:

In Britain we should issue a Drug Use licence whereby each holder must prove responsibility through a test where they must tightrope across a pit full of crocodiles and stinging nettles, whilst carrying a new born baby and three pints of milk. Those that pass are the ones that make it across safely and those that completely refuse to take the risk.

This would make an interesting reality show.

... now back on topic.

I always enjoy this type of discussions, mainly because I've spent the last 5 years of my life in the Netherlands where soft drugs are legal (even if they are kind of taking a few steps back on that)

So back in Portugal where I spent the first 18 years of my life, if you want to smoke drugs you are better of looking for a 15 year old. Chances are he does drugs, he probably deals drugs and if doesn't he'll be able to point me in the right direction.

Of course drugs are illegal there so there is no control, no information on its side effects and anybody can get their hands on it.

Here in the Netherlands however ... most 16 year old kids don't smoke and if they do they get it from someone who just bought if off a coffeeshop. You won't get some messed up *** that was cut/grew with some mad ass chemical to make it more profitable and every coffeeshop owner will be able to advise you on your purchase, the side effects and precautions you might consider taking ... oh and you need to be 18 to get it.

So I think legalization or at least discrimilization of soft drugs is defenetly an option that can work.

We shouldn't all copy the Dutch and actually see what fits best within our own cultural secnarios, but def consider it.

Also when you are doing it legally there is the tax income that can help your countries economy

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LethargicMotivator:

Lately I've been wondering about the hypocritical stance of most Governments regarding certain drugs. For example, a drug which kills 85000 people annually in America alone, is commonly blamed for aggressive behaviour and domestic violence, coupled with of course nausea, liver damage, brain damage, and the hangover is legal. Whereas, a drug which has never claimed a life, commonly used for pain soothing purposes, and poses no short term or long term health risks other than lung problems when the drug is smoked, is illegal. I'd say that my stance on all drugs is that you should be able to use it, as long as you're using it responsibly, and not hurting anybody else. What's your opinion?

The crazy thing about drugs is that they affect different people in different ways, my best mate is utterly chilled normally, give him 4 or 5 pints of a continental lager and he's aggressive, aragumentative and slurring. However, give him a joint or 10 and he is completely chilled to the core, chatting sense and generally not causing any problems.

Me however, if I drink 4 or 5 pints I get happy, calm and philisophical. If I smoke a joint I get paranoid, aggitated and restless. The last time I smoked I got myself so worked up I ended up leaving my mates house, walked home and was convinced I was being followed.

One of my best mates from college got paranoid schizophrenia "linked" to smoking and my fiances best mate jumped off a cliff with his guitar after smoking weed because he got paranoid that everyone was leaving him and he was all alone ...

This "it's harmless" is utter crap, as it is for everything. Everything in the world is harmful, it depends on who and how it is taken. People get addicted to different things, react differently to different things, and the point I think the governments have is that at the moment there is a limited use of the drugs, if the drugs were more widely available then there would be a lot more problems linked to them.

My stance has always been that drugs should be legalised and taxed, so that they pay for the harm they cause,  but the culture has to change. The whole of the UK and from what I hear the US culture would need a monumnetal shift, the UK has huge problems with people drinking very very heavily in a short amount of time, we need to get our society to a more civilized mentality and then legalizing drugs would work, because the last thing we need is to have lots of people taking huge quantitieas of drugs just to have a time ...

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Mortalitis_Infinitas:

You have gained enough renown to purchase the "Creative Director of European studios at Microsoft Games Studios" title.

LethargicMotivator:

Lately I've been wondering about the hypocritical stance of most Governments regarding certain drugs...  I'd say that my stance on all drugs is that you should be able to use it, as long as you're using it responsibly, and not hurting anybody else. What's your opinion?

My opinion is that the alcohol and tobacco lobbyists in Washington D.C. are earning every penny they're paid.

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squidproquo:

You are a murdering machine, sir.

Gradius1:

No more Jack threads.

Bring it!

All the money that is pooled into combating drug use could be used for something else.
The taxes you can put on drugs? Ohdearlord, theres some money to be made from that.

Hey, opens businesses, gives jobs, organized crime would more or less crumble, and don't have to worry about getting shanked for a dime. Everyone wins.

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The_Orcid:

Ooooh, you.

I give you FRANCIS MORAES, Ph. mother f'n D. in physics. Bonefied heroin user. Former. Whilst being a doctor of physics.


Responsible people are responsible. Crack whores are crack whores sans the crack.

You are aware, most crack whores are victims of their pimp as much (if not more so) of their own irresponsibility?

Unless your notion of female responsibility is something like hardcore Sharia, where a woman leaving her house is being irresponsible...

Kaosprophet:

The_Orcid:

Ooooh, you.

I give you FRANCIS MORAES, Ph. mother f'n D. in physics. Bonefied heroin user. Former. Whilst being a doctor of physics.


Responsible people are responsible. Crack whores are crack whores sans the crack.

You are aware, most crack whores are victims of their pimp as much (if not more so) of their own irresponsibility?

Unless your notion of female responsibility is something like hardcore Sharia, where a woman leaving her house is being irresponsible...

It's not like a pimp randomly picks a girl from a well paying job to become a crack whore and she must instantly abide, her mistakes make her into the crack whore. It's the pimp that makes them stay, I'll grant you that, but definitely not begin.

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I only wrote this because I hate you.

I would support legalizing pot, if I didn't know that it shuts off the part of the brain that makes you care about anything and is linked to mental issues. And is addictive. And can give you lung cancer, something which to Lethargic seems petty for some odd reason.
Other than that though..

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The Bag:

The day we decide to do an MMO is the day I quit.

Swordbane85:

I would support legalizing pot, if I didn't know that it shuts off the part of the brain that makes you care about anything and is linked to mental issues. And is addictive. And can give you lung cancer, something which to Lethargic seems petty for some odd reason.
Other than that though..

The first one, I'm sure is a complete lie, unless you have some medical journal you'd like to quote. The part about mental issues is still being looked into, but although it's been linked to, the links are pretty sketchy at best, the people who often get mental disorders had a family history of it, and the lung cancer part has been more or less proven false.

Here's some sources;

http://www.webmd.com/lung-cancer/news/20060523/pot-smoking-not-linked-to-lung-cancer

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/uk_lords_report/ToxicEffects.shtml#a1

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LethargicMotivator:

Kaosprophet:

The_Orcid:

Ooooh, you.

I give you FRANCIS MORAES, Ph. mother f'n D. in physics. Bonefied heroin user. Former. Whilst being a doctor of physics.


Responsible people are responsible. Crack whores are crack whores sans the crack.

You are aware, most crack whores are victims of their pimp as much (if not more so) of their own irresponsibility?

Unless your notion of female responsibility is something like hardcore Sharia, where a woman leaving her house is being irresponsible...

It's not like a pimp randomly picks a girl from a well paying job to become a crack whore and she must instantly abide,

According to recent claims regarding human trafficking, that's actually pretty close to what does happen in some cases.

LethargicMotivator:

her mistakes make her into the crack whore.

And this is what I was alluding to in my hyperbole about leaving the house = irresponsible.

There's no such thing as an 'understandable mistake' anymore, it's all either blatant irresponsibility or Someone Else's Fault.

Edit: though you'll note, I said "as much as, if not more so" when assigning blame to the pimp. I did not shift the blame entirely.

Kaosprophet:

LethargicMotivator:

Kaosprophet:

The_Orcid:

Ooooh, you.

I give you FRANCIS MORAES, Ph. mother f'n D. in physics. Bonefied heroin user. Former. Whilst being a doctor of physics.


Responsible people are responsible. Crack whores are crack whores sans the crack.

You are aware, most crack whores are victims of their pimp as much (if not more so) of their own irresponsibility?

Unless your notion of female responsibility is something like hardcore Sharia, where a woman leaving her house is being irresponsible...

It's not like a pimp randomly picks a girl from a well paying job to become a crack whore and she must instantly abide,

According to recent claims regarding human trafficking, that's actually pretty close to what does happen in some cases.

LethargicMotivator:

her mistakes make her into the crack whore.

And this is what I was alluding to in my hyperbole about leaving the house = irresponsible.

There's no such thing as an 'understandable mistake' anymore, it's all either blatant irresponsibility or Someone Else's Fault.

Edit: though you'll note, I said "as much as, if not more so" when assigning blame to the pimp. I did not shift the blame entirely.

It's certainly a very frightening world.

What would you say then is the factor which causes the female to descend into hard drug abuse?

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LethargicMotivator:

Kaosprophet:

LethargicMotivator:

Kaosprophet:

The_Orcid:

Ooooh, you.

I give you FRANCIS MORAES, Ph. mother f'n D. in physics. Bonefied heroin user. Former. Whilst being a doctor of physics.


Responsible people are responsible. Crack whores are crack whores sans the crack.

You are aware, most crack whores are victims of their pimp as much (if not more so) of their own irresponsibility?

Unless your notion of female responsibility is something like hardcore Sharia, where a woman leaving her house is being irresponsible...

It's not like a pimp randomly picks a girl from a well paying job to become a crack whore and she must instantly abide,

According to recent claims regarding human trafficking, that's actually pretty close to what does happen in some cases.

LethargicMotivator:

her mistakes make her into the crack whore.

And this is what I was alluding to in my hyperbole about leaving the house = irresponsible.

There's no such thing as an 'understandable mistake' anymore, it's all either blatant irresponsibility or Someone Else's Fault.

Edit: though you'll note, I said "as much as, if not more so" when assigning blame to the pimp. I did not shift the blame entirely.

It's certainly a very frightening world.

What would you say then is the factor which causes the female to descend into hard drug abuse?

The primary factor for descending into hard drug abuse, I think, is the actual addictive nature of the drug in question.

What gets them into using hard drugs in the first place, though, varies. Often a mix of naivete and desperation, much like with males.

And since I've brought up the male/female issue here... I'd like to point out that at least crack whores provide a service of some kind, unlike male crack addicts who more frequently turn to theft and robbery for drug money

Hey, at least male crack addicts provide more jobs in the security/policing business.

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LethargicMotivator:

I'd say that my stance on all drugs is that you should be able to use it, as long as you're using it responsibly, and not hurting anybody else.

Totally agree!

And as it just so happens to be, most people are! Able that is, not legally allowed to but we didn't say anything about that did we?

 

ExpiredRascals:

Also, that one that you are alluding to is the only one for which withdrawal can kill you (so no cold turkey)

Not true far as I remember, there are other drugs aswell that lead to a physical addiction.

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"I don't care if the audience watches my movies, long as my producer doesn't lose money."
-Jean-Luc Goddard

I frown upon drug use and I am very judgemental on those who do them, and I consider anyone who does drugs a dirty hippie.

That being said I don't think any drug should be illegal.

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Well, that answers that then.

homemadeeye:

I frown upon drug use and I am very judgemental on those who do them, and I consider anyone who does drugs a dirty hippie.

That being said I don't think any drug should be illegal.

Well, do you take daily vitamins? Aspirin? Caffiene? Alcohol? Because if I take you literarly, your basically saying that you want to bankrupt the world's pharmaceutical organizations.

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The Bag:

The day we decide to do an MMO is the day I quit.

my mind says no but my body says YES!

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